This is Part 2 of Jordan Peterson: An overview originally published May 27.
When he says enforced monogamy, JP isn’t necessarily referring to the waifus advocated by incels (see below). More, enforced by societal norms that encourage lifetime pair bonding (such as no sex before marriage) and societal norms which support monogamy and protect or mandate against its demise (such as legally preventing divorce), or as he put it ‘social convention favoring stable pair bonding’ (shaming single women but not single men, and allowing rape during marriage in the 1980s are some conventions he might be otherwise referencing https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-context-of-jordan-petersons-thoughts-on-enforced-monogamy/)
‘He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”
This seems to endorse the ‘feminist’ idea that marriage is an institution that is designed to control the sexuality of women.
‘So I don’t know who these people think marriages are oppressing. I read Betty Friedan’s book because I was very curious about it, and it’s so whiny, it’s just enough to drive a modern person mad to listen to these suburban housewives from the late ’50s ensconced in their comfortable secure lives complaining about the fact that they’re bored because they don’t have enough opportunity. It’s like, Jesus get a hobby. For Christ’s sake, you — you — ” –JP
He doesn’t think divorce laws should have been liberalized in the 1960s. He states relationships are harder to find now because tinder and casual sex made it easier- which is probably true, and in this sense the feminist liberation of having the contraceptive pill functioned to provide women ‘freedom from’ unhappy coupling but perhaps reduced their ‘freedom for’ being valued as a partner more so than a disposable sexual commodity. (The liberation in sexual attitude which were there commodified as porn now mass consumed with high levels of violence and degradation in order to sell, and with younger and younger exposure to more advanced sex acts and expectations on young girls for anal and fully removing pubic hair (link*)
Pretty ironic to argue against a sexual heirachy or to fight for sexual marxism.
A Women’s Place…?
As with racial discrimination, JP dismisses and minimises the cultural factors surrounding the pay gap by blaming it on women’s personalities and them not doing dangerous jobs. He says that in Scandinavia the ratio of nurses is high nurses 20:1, and male engineers 20:1 and claims these are ineradicable traits, as women are more agreeable (medical and nursing they excel, women are caregivers). He is thus implying that this is biological and not nurtured by socialisation.
A Canadian Study
cited by the economist found that women shied away from “masculine” sounding jobs because they feared they wouldn’t belong, not because of the job itself, to explain the continued disparity, likewise toxic masculinity is a barrier to men taking caring, reception, and other traditionally women’s which have lower pay. JP’s approach is to not listen to what women are actually saying about their experience, and to blame, dismiss and minimise their experience.
Despite it forming a massive portion of modern psychological thought, he does not address socialisation as an issue, when it is raised he dismisses that it is possible or more importantly, desirable to change. In the below clip he avoids directly addressing the question about the ways women are disadvantaged, reducing it only to them bearing children, then listing the fact that men die younger, and concluding with: ‘yeah both genders have it bad but to reduce that to a consequence of the social structure, it’s like ‘c’mon, really?”
Yes Jordan, really.
‘Of course you’re oppressed… but to think of that as the consequnce if unjust social structure is just moronic’.
No Jordan… that’s literally the definition of oppressed: ‘subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment’; to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power’.
He concludes that as the women are able to attend an intellectual lecture in warmth on a Saturday morning that ‘there’s no gratitude for what our society is capable of doing‘. This is a healthy message ‘be grateful’ concealing a deeper belief ‘men built this amazing world and did the dangerous work, it is only your essential biological nature limiting you, be thankful for what we have bestowed on you—and stop complaining’.
JP states that the rise of neuroticism and overrepresentation of depression and anxiety in woman, and alcoholism and drug abuse in men is due to biological difference, and again fails to address socialisation.
He again mixes this problematic logic with relatively benign but interesting observations:
1. Men are bigger but women attack husbands physically more in marriage- why? women know they won’t actually harm their husband. But if he hits her he will. [A salient observation for MRA’s about power imbalance and deaths]
2. The world is more dangerous to women, physically vulnerable, sexually vulnerable (the cost of sex is higher for them) [problematic when used to justify existing toxic structures or cultural practices]
3. Women’s nervous systems are adapted to mother-infant dyad. Women are not the same person after puberty, have to express the vulnerability of the infant and care for it, breastfeeding for 9 months. Price that women pay for infant intimacy, and that temperament doesn’t work well with adult men, especially in a business environment.
Agreeable people are compassionate and polite. Disagreeable people are tough minded, competitive, blunt. Predatory aggression, dominance behaviour, want to compete and win. Exploitation: middle age women who are hyper conscientious and agreeable do disproportionate amount labour for corporations. They do everything, don’t take credit for it, and don’t complain. Wired to be exploited by infant, and agreeable to keep peace for infants, but they don’t know what they want.
When he says women are more agreeable and if they fix that, the problem will go away, not only is he massively generalising, he is victim blaming and dismisses the wide array of structural and barriers and cultural factors at play—which he is also reinforcing.
Regarding agreeableness: women in the workplace are criticised for apologizing too often, speaking in self-deprecating terms, or appearing too cautious. But men do the same thing, it’s received in a completely different way. For example, a woman using vocal fry in her speech is often viewed as being unintelligent or unsure. When a man does it, however, it’s considered perfectly normal.
On the flip side, research shows that while men in leadership positions are often viewed as “assertive,” women with similar traits are “bitchy” or “shrill” or unlikeable, (see satirical Comic on how to appear ‘non-threatening’)
JP denies the importance of bias and explicitly dismissed implicit bias (link).
“Also known as implicit social cognition, implicit bias refers to the attitudes or stereotypes that affect our understanding, actions, and decisions in an unconscious manner. These biases, which encompass both favorable and unfavorable assessments, are activated involuntarily and without an individual’s awareness or intentional control. Residing deep in the subconscious, these biases are different from known biases that individuals may choose to conceal for the purposes of social and/or political correctness. Rather, implicit biases are not accessible through introspection.” –Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity
Implicit biases are the reason corrective hiring actions are required. Access is not equal due to discrimination. This is not due to any isolated ‘corruption’ or conspiracy, but more a generalised bias throughout all of society that is not solely based on objective fact. For example,
a child on a video-clip playing with a jack-in-the-box. It popped up, the child was startled and jumped backward. When people were asked, what’s the child feeling, those who were given a female label said, “she’s afraid.” But the ones given a male label said, “he’s angry.”
children with male names were more likely to be rated as strong, intelligent, and active; those with female names were more likely to be rated as little, soft, and so forth;
When parents were asked to predict their child’s ability to climb a slide, they consistently underrated the girls ability, even though there was no difference, both sexes babies performed the same.
University professors given a great resume and an average resume labelled male or female:
The male was rated as having higher research productivity. (Females face different expectations for the same reward).
The same list of courses was seen as good teaching experience when the name was male, and less good teaching experience when the name was female.
70% said yes to hire the male, 45% for the female.
If the decision were made by majority rule, the male would get hired and the female would not.
Reservations such as ‘”This person looks very strong, but before I agree to give her tenure I would need to know, was this her own work or the work of her adviser?” were expressed four times more often when the name was female than when the name was male.
Scientists’ perception of the quality of a candidate will influence the likelihood that the candidate will get a fellowship, a job, resources, or a promotion.
A pattern of biased evaluation therefore will occur even in people who are absolutely committed to gender equity.
Peterson is against this equality of outcomes but can’t recognise it is one of our only available avenues to create social change and begin to dismantle implicit bias. JP says ‘if you want to understand someone’s motivations, look to the consequences‘. When he reduces the pay gap to women’s agreeableness, Peterson is reinforcing existing ideas which underlie the social and cultural barriers to equality of access and opportunity, and when he oppose equal hiring, he is preventing change. The end result is men remaining dominant, retaining the facade of white males being more ‘competent’, unchanged role expectations, including toxic masculinity, and retaining the status quo.
Besides. Like most other sex differences (aside from ovaries and testes), the overlap on sex differences between the bell curves on agreeableness is so vast as to render the differences negligible to all but the minority. This makes it far more likely that it is not increased agreeableness that holds women back in the workplace, but the cultural expectation of agreeableness, and other factors (JP quoted analysis which apparently found 26 but has not provided a link to one which actually includes agreeableness).
Even with the research on male/female brain differences, which already incorporate the impact of socialisation into the way the brain’s developed, the percentage of individuals under the same bell curve where any given male could score within the females range is when it comes to research on sex differences 76+% of people overlap, and differences are small￼
JP claims sexual harassment won’t stop because we don’t know what the rules are working with women. But at the same time claims the rules are too restrictive and that they’re rapidly spreading.
He shames women for wearing makeup, saying they shouldn’t be simulating arousal in the workplace if they don’t want to be harrassed. Yet ignores the cultural mandates which shames and disadvantages those who don’t wear heels and make up (as much as it is often even part of company policy), ignores the fact most women don’t wear bright red blush and lipstick, and that men also emphasise attractiveness with padded shoulders or beards. He then emphasises that successful women in law firms are very attractive: simultaneously blaming women and ignoring cultural context.
In ‘women at 30’ JP states women in a high powered job wake up and realise they want to have a relationship and prioritise family; uses this as a justification for the lack of success for females without addressing the double standard that men aren’t expected to give up work. EG paid maternity and laws to allow womens careers to continue are designed to prevent the year of pregnancy stopping their fulfilling their aspirations; men should have equal paternity leave and in many places do, as fought for by the feminists JP holds such disdain for.
Age of first promotion tends to be at age of first child, and managers are reluctant to promote women who are starting families, or are likely to do so soon, but not fathers. ‘In Sweden, which increased the parental leave earmarked for fathers from two months to three in 2016, one study estimated that every month of leave a father took boosted his partner’s salary four years later by 7%.’ Though Australian men ask for flexible working less often than women they are much more likely to be rejected. … ‘Government policies also play a role in men’s and women’s decisions about how to combine parenthood and jobs. They do more than raise or lower the cost of working for women. They shape men’s and women’s expectations for their own and each others’ careers—and companies’ decisions about whom to hire and promote.’ – The economist
‘Women have to take primary responsibility for having infants at least, then also for caring for them. They’re structured differently than men for biological necessity. Women know what they have to do. (Men have to figure out what they have to do. And if they have nothing worth living for, then they stay Peter Pan.).’
Presumably, JP thinks the uneven division of child raising and household labour is justified as he labels this a women’s responsibility, but fails to see how this could tie in with the fact women do not succeed as men do in the work place. He also fails to see that parenthood is a choice for women as much as for men deciding if they will have children—and that women have as much work to do finding meaning purpose and identity as men, that the role of a father should be as emotionally and physically large as that of a mother (AKA absent fathers working demanding jobs are not good for children), AND that women can express for men to bottle feed.
This makes more sense in light of his criticisms of the birth control pill because women would likely be happier if they “allow themselves to be transformed by nature into mothers,” and because allowing women to choose anything other than motherly transformation leads to declining birth rates “in the West” that might “do us all in.” He says it was the pill which caused social change and not feminists; I would be interested to know his thoughts on devilish feminists gaining women the right to vote (or how the pill achieved that!).
What is a relationship for?
Of relationships, he says: ‘What you do in a relationship that works is that you actually fall in love with what they could be… so you’re bringing your flaws together, and that’s going to produce a lot of friction, and you are going to have to engage in a lot of dialogue before you reach that level of perfection that you originally had in the other person’s eyes. But maybe you can do it. And then you would live happily ever after.”
Then he says: Relationships are not for happiness.
JP believes children are what give us meaning past 45 into old age. Therefore women bearing children is necessary and a great service to males, and yet his focus is on the sacrifice males make by working, not the sacrifice women make by giving up their jobs, independence and bodies.
Rejecting people because they were too nice, someone biting you psychologically is what keeps a relationship linked together; looking for someone you have to contend with who is going to judge you harshly for your limitations, this will make you angry and resentful, and you’ll take your revenge and all of this…’
The rhetoric is problematic as it can be used to justify abuse and reinforces MGTOW & incel ideology about ‘nice guys’ (see incel discussion below):
Do we need feminism?
JP is vocally anti feminist; he justifies this by pointing to extremists but it isn’t just the extremists he takes issue with. He responded to Justin Trudeau (and his centrist-right government) supporting feminists as ‘inspiring and motivating’ and labelled this attitude ‘a murderous equity doctrine’. As the Canadian prime minister is not what he would call a ‘radical feminist who wants to dominate men’, presumably (as with the transgender pronouns) there is actually a deeper, unnamed objection at play. His stance is also reactionary and as such, is as unbalanced as that which he criticises.
The essence of feminism being about not objectifying or commodifying women, not reducing them to inferior baby makers, allowing women and men freedom to do what the opposite sex do (when they are equally competent) to the extent of supporting them in full development from birth, giving them bodily autonomy and choice (aka not enforcing monogamy, and the choice to not bear children, which is supposedly their responsibility). JP reduces his objection to this to ‘lack of science’ (‘they have lost that argument’), and labels such as identity politics.
Women fighting for rights such as that to vote, to divorce, to not be discriminated or sexually harassed in the workplace, to have safe access to abortion, to have paid maternity leave, and to not be murdered by their partners or incels due to toxic masculinity (aka the women’s rights movement, composed of ‘feminists’) are no different to the civil rights movement. It is not identity politics as it seeks to place women as the same as men and seeks to also liberate men from toxic masculinity. In much the same way slave owners worked against civil rights by justifying blacks as different, JP emphasises men and women are different when he says the pay gap is due to how women are and denies structural discrimination.
Peterson claims women supporting Islamic women have ‘an unconscious wish for brutal male domination’, given his ideology is based around the dominance of males and an aggressive competitive society; given his ideas of men and dominance hierachies, this is likely a pure projection.
When female journalists interview him (such as Cathy Newman) they receive a torrent of violent and misogynist backlash ‘cunt, bitch, dumb blonde’. The undertow his ideas feeds into are violent, misogynistic and problematic beliefs, thus many people with those beliefs follow him and he is a cult for young white men, not women, not mixed race people.
‘The idea that women were suppressed throughout history is an appalling theory’. This is in essence the same as denying the holocaust and dismisses their voices and experience; it is the patriachial notion that he knows better than they do what they truly want, need and feel. Women were suppressed: not allowed to vote, but also raped, beaten, sold, traded—as the physically weaker sex, by men who were not capable of valuing them. This still occurs around the world. It is victim blaming to say that women who are traded as sex slaves have themselves to blame due to their inherent weakness that they deserve to be exploited. Either that or he says they were suppressed because that’s where they belong. There is an inherent lack of responsibility attributed to those who perpetrate these and other acts. His intellectualisations provide justification for those who in positions to make societal change to avoid responsibility. This is divisionary and validates men at the expense of all others.
‘Women don’t understand that men… at least to the extent that they’re uncorrupted and not bitter about being rejected, are doing everything they can to kneel before the eternal image of the feminine… and try to make themselves worthy’. (See toxic masculinity discussion about worthiness below)
‘That’s the chivalry story. Out of chaos emerges the feminine. Novelty: threat and promise, hope and anxiety. I don’t know if women have any idea how paralysing they are, especially to young men. Terrified of women, terrified of being rejected. Terror in proportion to attraction to the woman’.
(MRAs mustn’t have been listening https://youtu.be/uwPFnvniA7w blaming this age old nervousness on feminism)
‘They don’t see her as an individual, they see her as the manifestation of a judgemental ideal. In establishing a relationship… this requires a sacrifice because you never can have an ideal woman.’
In some ways, perhaps that is true.
‘Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.’ –JP
No. The men will just be violent against that one woman. Men kill women when they try to leave abusive relationships.
This is victim blaming. This is why women needed feminism to be free and able to leave abusive relationships, and to change the masculinity constructs that lead to men being violent, when as JP said (above), the man won’t be harmed, but the women can die.
It is quite ironic when elected as a figurehead and defender of such as the incel community (see below) who yet miss this explicit message (‘take responsibility’), instead focussing on the implicit blame (‘women did this to you’).
Maybe if men were taking a more ‘feminist’ approach: 1) taking equal share of housework and parenting 2) not objectifying and discriminating against women and 3) sexually satisfying women, moving away from phallocentric sex, or in the very least acknowledging that, for example, women can ejaculate, maybe the ‘feminist harpies’ wouldn’t be so upset. Those are things that would result in less incels, as a result of a change in culture. It’s admirable to encourage men to be better, but it’s not going to create meaningful change with the same patriarchal underlying values and beliefs.
Toxic masculinity says:
1. Women need to be conquered. They are prey. This relies on dominating them, there is an element of force and violence. This is the opposite of consent and forms a foundation for rape culture.
2. Men are valuable only if they can achieve this.
This leads to a sense of entitlement aka if I do A, I deserve B, with B being female subservience (meeting all emotional and physical needs without autonomy or objection—disregarding the reality that no one is entitled to someone else’s time, effort, body or mind).
These goals are male centric, encourage against supporting women (the culture doesn’t value males unconditionally supporting females: taken to the nth with MGTOW culture maintaining that woman are manipulative and exploitative and that those who trust and love women are ‘cucks’ and ‘betas’) and result in them being upset by challenge from females (while expecting it from males).
Someone who doesn’t do this, will have issue with ‘social justice warriors’ where:—
Jordan Peterson’s emphasis on heirachy and dominance, winners and losers, endorsing incels being angry and feeling like losers due to lack of sex as justified, with needing to get themselves together *in order to be in a relationship* reinforces this. This is amplified with statements such as ‘agreeable women don’t know what they want’ (above). And in this way his advice is nothing empowering.
‘Elliot Rodger,” the gunman who opened fire on students at the University of California, Santa Barbara in 2014, killing six. In a video posted before his attack, Mr. Rodger called his planned attack “retribution” for the women who rejected him and for “all you men for living a better life than me.”one day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system. Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.”’-media
‘Alek Minassian, the 25-year-old suspected of driving the van that plowed into pedestrians in Toronto’s Monday, killing 10 and hospitalising 14, predominantly women posted, “The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys. All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!’ –Media
Before this, Marc Lépine’s slaughter of 14 female engineering students at Université de Montréal’s École Polytechnique in 1989—was driven by a misogynistic rage: Lépine ordered men out of a classroom, shouted “You’re all a bunch of feminists, and I hate feminists!,” then opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle he later turned on himself. (And Peterson wonders why the women aren’t studying engineering).
Peterson reiterates and legitimises the ‘Chad and stacy’ rhetoric of the incels:
‘the “eternal feminine” as “the crushing force of sexual selection”…‘Most men do not meet female human standards . . . It is Woman as Nature who looks at half of all men and says, ‘No!’ ’ -12 rules.
‘in terms of increasing sexual inequity in favour of alpha men… sexual access for males is a Pareto distribution pheneomena where a small proportion of a males get most of the invitations… the thing that is a bulwark for that is monogamy… recipe for resentment and aggression‘ –video
He fails to give adequate weight to unrealistic beauty standards and sexual expectations, and issues of power and control which underly the issues facing the young men perpetrating the these hate crimes.
‘For the record most of these men don’t want a relationship with a real person. Women aren’t that fucking complicated, and if you just act like a human being with compassion many are willing to accept your shortcomings. They do not want real women, they want fuck dolls they can humiliate so they feel better about themselves. Because what’s going to happen after the 4 second of sex is they will feel even less like men and that would be her fault too‘. -Facebook commenter
‘The appeal, then, of sex robots, is that while they look like a pornified ideal of women, they are not like real human women in a very key way. They have no voice. They don’t say no, they don’t have their their own sexuality, they don’t have their own tastes and sexual proclivities..’
(This is reflected by manosphere “traditional marriage” advocates, who argue that you should aim to marry a very young woman as she’s likely to be easier to control).
‘The idealisation of the woman who never says no; the normalisation of sexual aggression; the eroticisation of non-consent – this is the reality of sex robots and this is what lies behind the attack on Samantha’.
This is reflected in common manosphere use of the word ‘femoids’ reflecting the dehumanising idea that women are robotic or sub-human.
While doing their research in 1998, Dr. Burgess said they were “startled” by the number of men who described their ideal relationship based on what kind of female body they wanted. Buying into the idea that masculinity is defined by a tally of sexual conquests, they blamed women–who they had trouble seeing as fully human–for not giving them what they felt was their due.
Much of the incel culture initially solidified on 4chan which had an extreme emphasis on liberty ‘in which isolated man-boys asserted their right to do or say anything no matter someone else’s feelings. This meant generally posting pornography, swastikas, racial slurs, and content that reveled in harm to other people’…’celebrated failure — that from the very beginning encouraged anyone who posted to “become an hero” (their term for killing themselves, and sometimes others in the bargain)’, and led to anonymous who don the Guy Fawkes mask, Gamergate in 2014 (someone’s ex cheated on him-> stemmed into Gamergaters saying that “SJWs” were promoting gender equality in video games-> Yiannopoulos arguing against feminism-‘men they can and should walk away from the female sex en masse’).
The meme Pepe was popularised by 4chan and later used as a symbol by alt-right & white supremacy groups ; Jordan seems less concerned with this association—
than his analysis of the princess and the frog, which though psychologically apt, ‘maybe turns into the thing of the highest value- marriage- profound immaturity of our cultures waiting around to find the perfect person for them- the perfection is something you build within a relationship- swear that you won’t run from each other- and engage in a process of mutual transformation as a consequence of telling the truth‘, fails to grasp that Pepe is the frog archetype hijacked- it no longer is a frog who is wise and grows but instead only does what ‘feels good man’. (JP acknowledges this briefly in passing ‘underground comic horror associated with it that I find distasteful‘ but again fails to address it in any meaningful way).
(This video defines the right as ‘the forces of order people who create the norm’ and states they are being marginalised, which the frog symbolises- the supplement then minimalises the political use of these images and dismisses its significance citing benign uses elwsewhete- gaslighting ‘SJW’s that it was only their projection— as if there was no inherent meaning to Pepe at all- ‘he is everything and nothing at the same time’.)
‘The solution happens inside the chaos. If it’s a very complex problem you have to go far into chaos to find the solution. But there’s always the risk of losing yourself. The thing about dragons- about confronting things that terrify you- is that they can actually eat you.’ -JP
This acute psychological wisdom is lost on himself when he then labels the left chaos ‘LGBTQ etc’ as ‘endless multiplication of identities’, failing to grasp his own wisdom that you need to go into it to find the answer, not to reject the feminine; instead of surrendering, trying to control via ‘masculine’ judgement and order. By claiming the multiplication is indefinite- this shows a lack of trust in the feminine, to go into ‘the belly of the whale’.
JP claims ‘Logos is the most important part of western civilisation’ where logos is the principle of divine reason and creative order; (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgement, associated with the animus. He fails to grasp this imbalance is the problem SJW’s seek to redress; imbalance like that is not sustainable healthy. Yin and yang as masculine and feminine exist together in equal Balance and harmony, one feeds into the other, healthy humans have both and merely supplement each other as they cycle through both together as a team, of equals. One maybe stronger in the feminine reflection and one may be stronger in the masculine action but both energies are equally valid, important and necessary for human society. The refusal to accept this and surrender full power and control is to be stuck in the developmental phase of the teenage years—which is likely why late teen boys and adult males who have failed to make the transition into manhood resonate so strongly with his message—and it is externalisation, projection. Of blame which prevents this maturation. In this sense, whether he intends it or not, jordan himself is functioning as the archetype devouring mother of which he is so critical, by failing to speak these truths which would alienate his devout followers (it is also a marker of teen maturity to look for a hero to follow rather than follow your internal guidance).
Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) believe that female oppression is a myth and that it’s actually males who are oppressed.
(Kimmy Schmidt tweet moments s04e03)
hyperbole that reveals the truth… it seems as if this critique is where the show has been headed all along. It was there from the start.
Females are still strong as hell.
– fights back in the war on men.”
-Masculinity is being criminalized in this country and I want something done did about it.”
– “That’s whose fault it is! Society used to make sense! Nuclear families, straight marriages, white quarterbacks. That’s the world the Reverend was trying to get back to. The bunker was a return to traditional values.”
– a nice guy overlooked by women in the same breath as admitting he gives women unwanted back massages
– Each boy is born with the key inside him to tame his own monster,”
Beyond this are MGTOW who believe (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7bdwyx/inside-the-global-collective-of-straight-male-separatists) ‘women are deceptive and will lie to get out of anything just because that’s their nature’ which accordingly to Wikipedia: called “The Four Levels of MGTOW.”
Level 0 – Situational Awareness: the member has “taken the red pill” and embraces the idea that gender equality is a lie and propaganda.
Level 1 – Rejection of Long-Term Relationships: the man rejects long-term relationships but will still partake in short-term relationships and sexual encounters.
Level 2 – Rejection of Short-Term Relationships: the member won’t participate in hook-ups or any form of short-term or sexual relationships.
Level 3 – Economic Disengagement: a member at this stage refuses to earn more money than is necessary for sustaining life. He views the government as tyrannical and is trying to actively drain money from the bureaucrats.
Level 4 – Societal Disengagement: this is as far as a mainstream MGTOW can go. Here the man refuses to interact with society.m
Peterson directly comments on MGTOW (Manosphere twitter links) but fails to grasp how he himself is endorsing the underlying beliefs.
MGTOW, They’ve had enough of women- have been divorced- don’t have a permanent relationship- don’t share your territory with a woman- don’t share your possession with a woman- don’t stay together long enough to be common law because you’ll be stripped of everything you have. They’ve confused the negative feminine archetype with ‘all women’. [mother wounding-> projection]. You’ve got to ask yourself
‘Maybe if you made the right sacrifices you wouldn’t have so much trouble with women’.
Because the women are telling you what’s wrong with you’.
Yeah jordan, we are.
A final aspect of toxic masculinity:
(This is exactly what Peterson is doing…)
Blaming women for unhappiness, either as an incel or by expecting them to emotionally regulate on behalf of men within a relationship IE emotional labour by female as opposed to self-reflection on feelings of unworthiness;
This is unhealthy and contributes a lot more to incel violence than lack of orgasm inside a vagina.
Men. Need. Feminism.
If you find the feminists movement contrary and vexatious, or you don’t like this article and the media coverage of jordan, I’ll leave you with this: ‘Someone who’s cold, that is, low in agreeableness and high in conscientiousness, will tell you every time. ‘Don’t come whining to me. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. Do your goddamn job or you’re going to be out on the street.’ One might think, ‘Oh that person is being really hard on me.’ Not necessarily. They might have your long term best interest in mind. You’re fortunate if you come across someone who is disagreeable. Not tyrannically disagreeable, but moderately disagreeable and high in conscientiousness because they will whip you into shape. And that’s really helpful. You’ll admire people like that. You won’t be able to help it. You’ll feel like, ‘Oh wow, this person has actually given me good information, even though you will feel like a slug after they have taken you apart.’ -JP.
I can only assume he wouldn’t expect or appreciate that person to be a woman.
Here is a comic to understand emotional labour