Annals of derp with transcript excerpts
Viewing the interview as a transcript makes Peterson’s manipulation obvious. The short article above is worth a read.
You can’t really tell, because Peterson refuses to say it. Like Ross Douthat or Bret Stephens in cases we’ve looked at, he wants his audience to hear it, but he doesn’t want the responsibility of having said it, so he keeps weaseling between saying it and denying it. Newman is trying to pin him down: “Well, are you saying this, and if not, what?” and he’s replying no, but he’s unable to give her an alternative.